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globug27 asked on 10/7/2008 12:38:38 PM Report this post
I'll protect my baby against poisons every time.
This is an article I found online, thought I'd share with all you (with love) moms & moms-2-be! =)

How Are Vaccines Made?
Vaccine production is a disgusting procedure. To begin, one must first acquire the disease germ -- a toxic bacterium or a live virus. To make a "live" vaccine, the live virus must be attenuated, or weakened for human use. This is accomplished by serial passage -- passing the virus through animal tissue several times to reduce its potency. For example, measles virus is passed through chick embryos, polio virus through monkey kidneys, and the rubella virus through human diploid cells -- the dissected organs of an aborted fetus! "Killed" vaccines are "inactivated" through heat, radiation, or chemicals.
The weakened germ must then be strengthened with adjuvants (antibody boosters) and stabilizers. This is done by adding drugs, antibiotics, and toxic disinfectants to the concoction: neomycin, streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum hydrochloride, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin, formaldehyde, and thimerosal (a mercury derivative).
Aluminum, formaldehyde, and mercury are extremely toxic substances with a long history of documented hazardous effects. Studies confirm again and again that microscopic doses of these substances can lead to cancer, neurological damage, and death. Yet, each of them may be found in childhood vaccines.
In addition to the deliberately planned additives, unanticipated matter may contaminate the shots. For example, during serial passage of the virus through animal cells, animal RNA and DNA -- foreign genetic material -- is transferred from one host to another. Because this biological matter is injected directly into the body, researchers say it can change our genetic makeup.
Undetected animal viruses may jump the species barrier as well. This is exactly what happened during the 1950s and 1960s when millions of people were infected with polio vaccines that were contaminated with the SV-40 virus undetected in the monkey organs used to prepare the vaccines. SV-40 (Simian Virus #40 -- the 40th such virus detected since researchers began looking), is considered a powerful immunosuppressor and trigger for HIV, the name given to the AIDS virus. It is said to cause a clinical condition similar to AIDS, and has been found in brain tumors, leukemia, and other human cancers as well. Researchers consider it to be a cancer-causing virus.
What happens next, once this foul concoction -- live viruses, bacteria, toxic substances, and diseased animal matter -- is created? This witch's brew is forced into the healthy child.
Satanic Rituals
Dr. Robert Mendelsohn often criticized modern medicine for its sanctimonious doctrine. He argued that "doctors are the priests who dispense holy water in the form of inoculations" to ritually initiate our loyalty into the larger medical industry. Dr. Richard Moskowitz agrees: "Vaccines have become sacraments of our faith in biotechnology. Their efficacy and safety are widely seen as self-evident and needing no further proof."
Others see a link between vaccinations and satanic rituals or witchcraft, where animals are sacrificed and their organs brewed in a hellish concoction of horrid substances: voodoo medicine by 21st century mad scientists. Sadly, our children are their unwilling subjects as society is slowly devoured by their insatiable appetite for human experimentation.


Here are some websites with even more information. The first website (Shirley’s) also has many, many other website references.

www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccine_support_org.htm
www.thinktwice.com
www.vaclib.org
www.909shot.com


bonnie3 said on 10/7/2008 3:33:32 PM Report this post
I do not want to have my baby vaccinated but how do I go about doing this. Do I need to tell my OB/GYN that after giving birth my baby is to recieve no vaccines or do I need to talk to the hospital? I know that my friend using a peditrian that is okay with no vaccines so i can get his name. But I am worried about birth - I do I stop the vaccines from happening at that time?

globug27 said on 10/7/2008 3:44:44 PM Report this post
bonnie - there are template letters you can find on line already pre-written for you, all you do is drop in the name of the hospital and drs etc. Have several copies with you at all times when delv gets close and get copied to the hosp before (like a month) before you're admitted, so they KNOW your wished/beliefs. The websites above may have them ...here's one I'll copy/paste for you below. Be strong in your convitions - it's well worth it! Have you seen the video lecture yet? Even those stupid eyedrops they put in when they are 2 seconds old have thimerisol in them....!!! No wonder we have such problems with our children being disabled more and more....duh...it's the vaccines!

Model letter for hospital births

For those who are planning a hospital birth but want to evade invasive routine post natal procedures such as a Hep B shot, vitamin K injection or the application of silver nitrate in the newborn’s eyes, a very specific birthing plan must be submitted to the hospital in advance of the birth. Hospital staff must be informed, in advance, of your needs, wants and desires where your baby and birthing experience are concerned. The following letter was provided to the local hospital by VacLib members in advance of the birth of their child. This letter can be used as a model letter for others who are planning a hospital birth but want their babies spared from being subjected to certain routine postnatal procedures.
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(Date)

To (Name of hospital) OB-GYN-NBN Staff:

RE: Patient Jane Doe, DOB 00/00/00. Dr. (Name), Due date – 00/00/00

INSTRUCTIONS FOLLOWING BIRTH:

As requested by (Nurse’s name), Nurse Manager OB-GYN-NBN, we are expressing our wishes in writing concerning the treatment of our baby once born. We trust that our wishes will be carried out by all staff members.

We would like to hold and allow the baby to breastfeed immediately after birth. When the baby and we are comfortable, the staff may take the baby to the warmer, check him/her, and put his/her ID tags on the ankle. When getting the footprints, please use as little ink as possible and do not scrub over zealously to remove the ink. [Another VacLib member was able to keep her baby from being taken from her the whole time she was in the hospital.]

We prefer that the baby is bathed and measured in the labor/delivery room. If this is absolutely impossible, the support will escort the baby to the nursery.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES is the baby to receive the antibiotic drops in the eyes and UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES is the baby to receive the Vitamin K shot. (Nurse’s name) assured me this would not be a problem and it would be noted in my chart and posted in the nursery.
1. No Antibiotic drops: The mother does not have any sexually transmitted diseases or active infection in the birth canal and is therefore unlikely to infect the eyes of the newborn. (Especially since it will be a C-Section)
2. No Vitamin K to the newborn: The baby is at little risk for cerebral hemorrhage. The mother is a vegetarian who consistently eats large quantities of dark leafy green vegetables, therefore unlikely that mother or child is vitamin K deficient.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES is the baby to be given the Hep B or the Hep A shot.
We will discuss vaccination with the baby's regular pediatrician

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES is the baby to be given the PKU Test.
There is no family history to warrant the test.

We would like the baby to be brought to the post-partum room as soon as possible and we anticipate a rooming in situation.

We appreciate your cooperation and understanding and thank you for your help in delivering and caring for our baby.

Sincerely,

Mrs. Jane Doe
Mr. John Doe


globug27 said on 10/7/2008 3:46:19 PM Report this post
....ps: you can change the letter to suit your needs and desires...it's just a starting point for you...

globug27 said on 10/7/2008 3:52:18 PM Report this post
Video Lecture from Dr David Ayoub - excellent info!!! You will be glued to this video!!! Pass it on to other concerned citizens!


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=Dr.+David+Ayoub%2C+M.D.


luckyc13 said on 10/8/2008 8:21:19 AM Report this post
globug, that is great info, thank you so much for sharing. there's so much we don't know and simply take for granted. this is incredibly useful and informative.

Mara04 said on 10/8/2008 1:02:33 PM Report this post
I don't want to start a great war hjere but I feel like I'm being attacked and judged for choosing to vaccinate my son. I mean is it differnet in Canada? Because so far two of the vaccines have saved his life. He almost died from the chicken pox virus cept I'd have him innoculated against it. I don't want to be attacked and condemned because I choose to keep my babies healthy with vaccines. I also give them the flu shot because he is around well over 100 kids a week and I don't want to take that chance with him. I don't really fight my point about doing this because I hate to cause any issues or have people get angry at me, I just don't want people to call me a bad mother because I vaccinate my children.

bonnie3 said on 10/8/2008 1:06:27 PM Report this post
Mara - no one is attacking or condeming you. Just like you - we have a choice not to vaccinate. I am not saying you are right or wrong but we all have our own opinions and b/c these are our own babies we can choose which route to take. Just like breastfeeding! I wouldn't ever tell anyone what to do, I just make decesions based on what I feel it right for me and my family.

garza74 said on 10/8/2008 1:24:46 PM Report this post
Mara - I'm with you girl. I do respect everyone's choice. However, if my child were to come down with the measles (which, by the way, is coming back due to non-vacination) or any other preventable disease, I could never forgive myself. I had my son vaccinated and will have this baby vaccinated. To me the good outweighs the risks. I have seen no creditable source which produces a valid risk of vaccines. However, it is everyone's own choice, I just wanted to let you know you're not alone!!!!

garza74 said on 10/8/2008 1:34:47 PM Report this post
All kinds of information can be obtained on the Web, it's just everyone's own choice. Please see article below advising of the dangers of NOT Vaccinating.

Vaccines are Very Safe
Dr. Jay L. Wile, Ph.D. *


In order to try to get you to refuse vaccination, the anti-vaccination propagandists will often try to convince you that vaccines are unsafe. They will tell you that vaccines cause debilitating disease and sickness. However, such claims ignore the medical literature, which says something quite different. Before I tell you how we know that vaccines are safe, let me spend a moment discussing what "safe" means in terms of medical science.

Would you consider taking a bath to be safe? Did you know that roughly 350 people die every year because of taking baths1? If so many people die every year taking baths, why do we continue this "dangerous" practice? We continue it because it is significantly more dangerous to not take baths than to take baths. If you decide to stop taking baths due to the alarming statistic quoted above, you are opening yourself up to all kinds of diseases. Thus, even though it is possible for you to die taking a bath, the benefits of taking that bath far outweigh the risks. As a result, we continue to take baths, despite the fact that some people die from it every year.

That’s exactly the kind of reasoning used to determine what is medically safe. Virtually every medicine and activity comes with risks. Even vitamins can cause liver damage, bleeding problems, heart injury, and bone problems, especially when taken in high doses.2 Thus, no matter what you do, you take risks. The question when evaluating any medical procedure is simply this: Do you risk more by refusing the medical procedure than by accepting the procedure? In the case of vaccinations, the medical research is quite clear. You are significantly more at risk if you refuse the standard vaccinations than if you get them.

Mara04 said on 10/8/2008 1:38:30 PM Report this post
Thanks I appreciate that. I mean, I'm not getting him vaccinated cause they tell me to and thast that. I do my research and if I feel one isnt needed then I say so. I get so scared because I didn't know measles was coming back but my sisters kids all came down with scarlet fever last year and I thought that was eradicated! I just need to know I did all I could to protect him. I had a woman the other day call my some vile names and tell me no one in their right mind should have let me have children if I was dumb enough to vaccinate them. Then she said I probably beat him daily too since the shots were killing him slowly as well. I was very hurt and upset by that. I know witht his pregnancy I'm over emotional but still, no one should have the right to say that tio anyone! With some of the thigns and laws being passed now it's hard to feel like these are our own children. Here its now illegal to smoke in your car or house where kids are. I personally wouldn never do that but for the people who do, I mean if they want to do that tot hier kids who is the government to say no? I found it a little controlling. It's almost scary to have someone dictate to you what you can and cannot do so that you are walking on eggshells thinking you may get arrested for doing the wrong thing with your baby. I'd way out of control in my opionion. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to NOT vaccinate your kids as well like bonie said it's your choice I get that. I think maybe I take thigns too personally. I'm so afraid of doing the wrong thing by my son that sometimes the thigns I've done or said in a day will keep me awake at night. Pathetic isn't it? lol

garza74 said on 10/8/2008 1:54:18 PM Report this post
Don't let other people's opinions get to you so much, everyone has one. Be confident that you're doing the right thing and move on. I find alot of it sooo hypocritical - if you're so into not having your baby exposed to certain elements, why not have it at home and not even go to a hospital. Or is that too dangerous. It just seems there are such conflicting opinions. The autism claim has already been proven over and over again to be untrue.

I work w/a woman whose daughter chose not to have her kids vaccinated and she worries constantly ever since they started going to school that they'll be exposed to something they're not protected from. Science and medicine has evolved to allow us to be protected, that's just my opinion. However, she says it was her daughter's choice and she's respected it. How horrifying it would be for one of them to come down with something. Millions of children are vaccinated every year w/o harm. Like the article says, they have as much of a chance as being harmed in a bath tub. I guess the bottom line is the only child that's being hurt is the one who's not vaccinated, if there's a breakout of some sort. As I respect the opinions of those who chose not to vaccinate, I continue to respectfully, disagree.

Don't worry so much. Take care, H.

Rachel812 said on 10/8/2008 9:21:49 PM Report this post
I agree. It does bother me somewhat when someone preaches about not vaccinating. Everyone I have ever known who was vaccinated is perfectly fine and healthy. My cousin's daughter died of the Measles because she chose not to vaccinate her baby. And though everyone has their opinion... I'd rather take the "risks" of vaccinating my children than to leave them exposed to diseases that can kill them. Everyone has their own opinions and the right to choose what is best for their children. Because everyone feels so passionately about it... all it's going to do is cause controversy and ruffle feathers. This is a sticky subject that should maybe be left alone.

said on 10/8/2008 9:55:48 PM Report this post
wow is all i can say. I do agree with the it being a choice of everyone to get there children vaccinated. I have vaccinated all 3 of my girls and none of them have had any issues. And i plan to do the same with the one that is in my tummy too. I don't think that Globug is trying to preach to us and tell us what to do. I think she is just making us aware of why she is choosing not to. But it is everyones choice to get them or not to.

Rachel812 said on 10/8/2008 10:04:28 PM Report this post
I wasn't directing my comments towards Globug personally. I meant it in general.

Kylie said on 10/8/2008 10:22:27 PM Report this post
i'm a nurse, and we vaccinate our son. he's had all the vaccines that he would need. plus i give him the flu shot every year too. the mmr is the one that got the most press, being related to autism, so we waited until he was 2 to get that one.
one vaccine that is not really the best is: pentacel. it's a combo shot with 3 different vaccines in it, but it's made with aborted fetal tissue. the ethical alternative is pediarix. also the vaccine gardisil had caused 7-10 deaths. you usually don't die from cervical cancer b/c it's detected so easily. just thought i'd throw some more info out there! baby dust to all! i hope june 09 is full with new babies!

sheababy44 said on 10/8/2008 10:23:55 PM Report this post
I know you weren't. I was just saying. Some people are like that where the preach to you. And it can be very annoying and sometimes down right rude. I just don't see that Globug is doing that. She is making us aware. Not pushing her beliefs on us. I didn't take your comment that way Rach.

sheababy44 said on 10/8/2008 10:38:55 PM Report this post
I just had my 11 year old daughter get Gardisil. And she is fine. But i made it her choice to make. I wasn't like hunny you need this now take it. She is old enough to make that decision for her self. There are so many STD's out there now that weren't around when i was having sex. It scares me. And if it is still available when my 2 younger girls are of age. They will have the choice to get it or not too.

Mara04 said on 10/10/2008 4:48:21 PM Report this post
I'm not like a total germaphobe but I do worry about what I can't see or prevent from getting to my son. I work in a daycare where people and their kids travel all over the world ALOT so I feel it's safer to have him vaccinated because you never know who may carry what. I've given my son Pentacel but in Canada there is no other alternative that you don't have to pay for. I also beelive in the flu shot very strongly only because I'm surrounded by kids. I take things very personally, just who I am and last year I just about went off on this mother because she said to her son, about my son, oh don't touch that little boy he has a runny nose so he is dirty and his mom must not take care of him like I do you. I'm sorry but you knwow hat? If you won't let your kids be near another kid with a runny nose, you are going to have one lonley kid on your hands and when he does get sick, it's gonna be bad. I know my son has great antibodies in his system from myself when I was pregnant and from shots and other colds he has had so if a flu goes around at work, I bring him. He may as well get it all over with now than drag it out right? lol Sounds bad but I've been in childcare for 10 years, kids gert sick, you can't help it. When people ask me what I do, I tell them I'm a professional nose wiper lol I think honestly, I personally would worry myself sick about what he might get not being vaccinated than what he might get if he is. I'm a constant wrrier, about thigns that don't even concern me so it gives me peace of mind that I did all I could for my son. I've heard alot about the gardasil too and I think i'd let my child make the choice herself as well. As long as she was also armed with all other information as well. Including STD's and sex. But I don't what to think that far ahead because there are some days I have a hard time saying penis outloud lol

sheababy44 said on 10/10/2008 4:57:28 PM Report this post
HAHAHAHAHA you are funny. You have a hard time saying penis. Just wait till he starts asking you about sex. I have had to have that convo already. She did get alot of info before she made her decision. I didn't want here going into this with out having all the facts and her questions answered. It was not taken lightly at all.

globug27 said on 10/27/2008 2:38:07 PM Report this post
We're raising our DD in a Christian home, teaching modesty and purity. Sex is for AFTER marriage, no exceptions. Giving a "child" gardisil is just saying - go ahead and have sex, you're gonna have it anyway - that is a parenting cop-out, we shouldn't stand for it! How sad! People are healthier if they wait, it's a fact. Mentally, emotionally and physically. Sorry if I "offend" anyone, but it's true, God said it, I believe it, amen!

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Mara04 said on 10/27/2008 3:04:08 PM Report this post
I'm not being offensive here, i'm just being me, but for me, sex before marriage was ok but the best sex was after lol I lost my virginity at 17 not by choice but I would have done it at 19 with the second person anyways lol he was my best friend lol I respect that and beleive me my MIL hates me and condemns me infront of my son because we had sex before marriage. Because I was 2 months pregnant before marriage. She has dragged my name all over town for being a whore but i don't regret it. It was something I thought i would do out of respect for my body but after my first encounter i lost repect for just about everythign about me.

I didn't think gardasil was for sex per se? I thought it was for reproductive issue? Like ovarian caner or cysts or something? I could be wrong but thats what I th ought it was not to protect against sex related issues. i didn't think anything but a condom could do that. i don't know i haven't seen a commercial for it in a while lol

globug27 said on 10/27/2008 3:12:14 PM Report this post
===> be STRONG non-vaccinators!!! UNITE!!! <=====

anyone read the Jennie McCarthy artickle this week????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyone willing to give their baby/child up for DRUG trials - probably not?....that's what I thought....hence there ARE no vaccine trials that show they are safe....we had mumps, mealsels, chicken pox and the flu when we were kids - we lived. =)

globug27 said on 10/27/2008 3:13:05 PM Report this post
correction" "article"

Mara04 said on 10/27/2008 3:17:19 PM Report this post
Alot didn't. And from what I've read, chicken pox has gotten deadly in recent years. I live in a town of under 1000 people and we have had 64 chicken pox related deaths in 4 years from children under 5. That just scares me personally. It's like its mutated.

As for drug trials, I think you'd be amazed at the amount of people whow ould do it if the money was right. Sad fact but there are people like that. Me, would never happen but I swear I'm donating my brain to science after I die, an actual bi-polar brain lol

said on 10/27/2008 3:55:34 PM Report this post
My sister had gardasil and is a virgin and is waiting until marriage. It's not that big of a deal. If people want to have sex before marriage, that's their business. It's not your place or anyone else's place to judge them on it. You have made it very clear how you feel on vaccinations. Some views should maybe be kept to yourself.

globug27 said on 10/27/2008 4:13:51 PM Report this post
Wow, not judging, I stated it was a "parenting" cop-out - they are still children and it is illegal in most states. Again - just presenting the facts and what I believe - the Truth is God ordained sex for marriage between a man & woman, only. Gardisil is to protect from the PAPALOMA VIRUS only which can only be obtained through sexual contact. When we stray from God's Word - or "create" our own god(s), we also have to live with the consequences of our own action.

You posted without your screen name - are you ashamed of what you believe for some reason...?

shooshoo22 said on 10/27/2008 4:17:56 PM Report this post
that was not my post but i just wanted to point out you cant opt to post without your screen name- sometimes it just doesnt show up, a glitch on the site.
while everyone is certainly entitled to their views u think it makes some uncomfortable when you preach from a religious standpoint- seeing as we are a mix of religions, atheists, etc. on here.

babydustglitter said on 10/27/2008 4:34:38 PM Report this post
I didn't want to say anything, but I will share my story: I started AF when 9 yrs old and had issues with heavy bleeding, so I had reg paps even though I was a virgin. At one of those paps it was discovered I had pre-cancerous cervical cells. Had Gardisil been around, it would have prevented that form of that and I would not have had to have a minor surgery. The Gardisil prevents against multiple types of viruses and not all are from sexual contact. That is why many moms have their daughters get the shot. Heck, I wish they made it for adults so I could be protected! Mine could come back!

Rachel812 said on 10/27/2008 4:37:39 PM Report this post
I wrote the "nameless" post and no, I am not ashamed of what I believe in. Like Shooshoo22 said... it just came up that way on the site. You said it yourself... "they are the facts of what you believe." They are not facts of life that everyone is obligated to beleive in. Some things should be off limits, such as religion. Who cares if someone wants to get Gardasil? That's their choice. You are presenting your opinions a little too aggressivly and it does offend people (not speaking for anyone else) I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone but these topics are very sensitive and need to be left alone.

momoflad said on 10/27/2008 5:42:21 PM Report this post
jumping in just to comment yes i also believe this subject is a little sensitive especially when you bring religion into it... i had my daughter before marriage and im NOT ashamed.. i also believe in the vaccines! all my daycare kids get them and no one has ever had a problem and we only get colds around here no one has gotten the flu or any other serious viral infection yet. ex. chicken pox or what not..


Kylie said on 10/27/2008 7:56:32 PM Report this post
as for the diseases that are okay to get...what about polio? that is a terrible disease to get...my mother had it. also gardisal prevents certain types of HPV which cause cervial cancer. HPV is so detectable, it's not something you die of. at least 7 girls have DIED after getting gardisal.
i also had sex before marriage...the first guy i really regret, but not my husband...those were some good times. i'm catholic and i know that sex before marriage was wrong, but we did it anyway, and now i wouldn't change it if i could.

millijess said on 10/27/2008 9:34:25 PM Report this post
Globug- It may be the pregnancy hormones but I have to say that I am totally offended by your comments. What happens if you are raped, huh? And then you get HPV? There are other reasons than just pre-marital sex that you should worry about and I think its totally reasonable to get your daughter protected. Shame on you for bringing your religious tirade into a very civil conversation.


Plus, does any one know why small pox was eradicated? Oh wait, that's right, vaccines. So say what you want, but vaccines have their place. And frankly, I am glad that I am able to protect my child from potentially deadly diseases.

Sharshun said on 10/27/2008 10:22:33 PM Report this post
Actually, smallpox isn't erradicated everywhere, just in the US. If your child is not vaccinated and exposed to it, they will get it. People from other countries come here all the time. We're also forgetting that you are also vulnerable to these diseases your whole life if you aren't vaccinated. That means that your child could grow up, travel to another country and wind up with serious complications from "childhood" diseases. If she is a woman and is exposed to rubella during pregnancy it can cause horrible complications for her child.


Also, someone said that we all had chicken pox, measles, etc. as kids and we lived to tell about it. Well, I was vaccinated against everything (except chicken pox) and I turned out fine. I actually had chicken pox as a one year old and was hospitalized for it.

Corinna said on 10/28/2008 8:49:49 AM Report this post
just a note on screen names showing or not... When a lot of time has passed, say when reading such a long thread and then thinking about your response/input, you can time out of your session, thus eliminating your screen name. I do not know how long it takes, but it has happened to me before.

Corinna

babydustglitter said on 10/28/2008 10:08:06 AM Report this post
There are always a few unique cases where bad things happen, but many many where good things happen. I was immunized and I am ok. I don't know anyone who had issues. Maybe we should work together to fight for immunizations that are free of things like mercury and still work to prevent horrible illnesses. Wouldn't that make the most sense??? This country is so into green and organic right now in every area it seems. Why not with immunizations?

babydustglitter said on 10/28/2008 10:12:41 AM Report this post
Oh,and I think what everyone is saying is that they don't mind diff opinions just it is bad when someone tries to force her opinion on others. We will all never agree on everything and I don't care. I refuse to let anyone offend me. :) So debate away! I have actually learned a lot about this topic to be honest from all the diff angles. That is great! But, and I think maybe we DO agree on this, I don't know if I want my TTC (or pregnancy) area to be so political and borderline stressful!!! But I don't have to partcipate either, I suppose. ;) Hmmmm...

garza74 said on 10/28/2008 11:04:57 AM Report this post
You go millijess!!!! You took the words right out of my mouth. I am sure there are plenty of right-winged, pro-life politcal, non-vacinating, no pre-marital sex sites to air such beliefs and quite frankly jumping down other people's throats for their beliefs or lifestyle isn't very Christian- nor is this the place for it. I believe that if God didn't want us to vaccinate our children, he wouldn't have given us the scientific knowledge to do so (yeah, I wen there - lol). Now my pregnancy hormones are kickin.

If one is confident in what they believe they should live that way and get on w/their lives. Women who chose to have sex prior to marriage should not be looked down upon - um, especially on a pregnancy/TTC site- der - - Are you assuming everyone on here is married?

On a final note, you may want to consider the fact the Sarah Palin's State of Alaska public school system provided only abstinence material for high school students, no teaching of safe sex on the premise that it would give high schoolers' a "go ahead" for sex (like they need one).

Sarah Palin's 17 year old daugher is 5 months pregnant. The irony of it really just gets me. Good luck to all.

Slipker said on 10/28/2008 11:32:25 AM Report this post
Ok Im sorry after reading someones post saying its only right to have sex after you are married well I AM NOT married and I have two wonderful kids and one on the way! Me and the father live together and are happy! We do not have any plans in the near future to get married! I dont mind hearing others views but to try to say there is only one right way to do things is wrong! I think its what ever works best for you!

millijess said on 10/30/2008 9:32:56 PM Report this post
Sharshun- I did a quick search on WebMD and they say that the last known natural outbreak of Smallpox happened in 1977 and the World Health Organization says its been wiped out (I only checked cause I needed to know!! :D)

here's a link:

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/smallpox-topic-overview

Just some more information to have an informed discussion :D

globug27 said on 10/31/2008 1:40:57 AM Report this post
ok - I did post a contriversial subject, and what I believed, I stand up for , just like the rest of you stand up for what you believe. Must be MY hormones. I stated how WE were raising OUR daughter, and the Truth of what I believe - if you read it a diff way, or believe something diff, so what - I like the cold weather and eat sushi too, I'm sure that offends someone somewhere too...so....let it go louie...start a new post - I'm sure alot of people would agree with that. =)

babydustglitter said on 10/31/2008 8:47:23 AM Report this post
I still think we should start something to ask for better ingredients in immunizations. :) This many women, I think something wonderful could happen!

And globug, I wasn't offended as you can believe what you want. Doesn't mean I have to!

madisonsmom08 said on 10/31/2008 10:26:28 AM Report this post
Well...I would like to say I'm had my DD vaccinated and will have the new born vacinnated. To those who think its not good then that is totally your opinion just like I have my own you have your own. I'm not judging "anybody.." A mother has a right do what what they think is right to protect their child. BUT as far as the whole Gardisil thing. I don't see a thing wrong with that and I think your comment was wrong

Globug- We have to face it..we can teach kids no sex until marriage but doesn't mean they are going to do it. Thats why I hope I'm close enough to my children that when they decide to do it I can make sure they are protected. I go to church Globug and believe in the Christian faith. My church is actually having a special showing of the Fireproof movie. But when you have an opinion if start to preach. Just say what you need to say and let it go. Just like when you said "globug27 said on 10/27/2008 3:12:14 PM Report this post
===> be STRONG non-vaccinators!!! UNITE!!! <===== That was telling the vaccinators we are wrong. When you are christian you dont throw the bible at someone either..you tell them about it but don't try and force your opinion on someone. I'm not trying to offend you but it had to be said. I am glad you believe but just try not to push your opinion. That is all I'm saying..

Mara04 said on 11/1/2008 10:25:38 PM Report this post
Wow I missed a lot working lol I should quit lol All I want to say is way to use the pregnacy hormones for a rampage lol *High Five*! lol I must use that line 50 times a day lol Today my brother just sent me a text msg that said Jesus woman control the hormones lol I told him to face it he was surrounded lol His gf is pregnant and they are 17 and 18 and WILL NT get married. Cause no official would dare do that tot he poor baby lol They will realize they are better off raising the baby as friends lol I'm not saying their choices were right, only what choices they make from here on out. I think as a parent the choices we need to make for our kids are so hard. My son is 2.5 and I think I've asked myself everyday for the past 2.5 years did I do that right? Did I just set him up to fall? Did I screw him up? We will never know. All we can do it teach our kids to stand on their own two feet and make their own choices as well. Our best defense as a parent is information and thankfully in this day and age we have tons of it. All we need to do now is sift through the BS and find what is right for us and our fmailies. I never critisize others for their beleifs same as I would want them to critisize me and unfortuantley, I'm one of those parents who cares to damn much what other people think.

globug27 said on 5/14/2009 2:14:30 PM Report this post
...just wondering if anyone saw Jenny McCarthy & Jim Carey speaking on this topic - it's still quite a hot topic...hhhmmmm

Mara04 said on 5/14/2009 9:10:59 PM Report this post
I did but I still chose to vaccinate my kids everytime. I mean good for her for having the backbone to speak out against what she beleives in, but I also will too and I do not feel bad for having Connors shots done and Chace gets his first ones in 2 weeks and I don't feel bad about it.

momoflad said on 5/15/2009 12:12:09 PM Report this post
I didn't see it but im all about shots!! i watched a show on this the other day i belive it was law and order.. Even after watching that im like heck thats why i do shots so my child doesn't die from not getting shots.. Yes people have a choice not to give there child the vaccinations but they are more then likely to get the virus later on and could possibly spread it to other healthy kids which is unfair in my opinion the but hey thats why we have choices we can do what we want doesn't matter what anyone else thinksI'll ALWAYS do shots!!!! i'm a big beliver in them!!

sheababy44 said on 5/15/2009 2:25:19 PM Report this post
I think this subject has been covered. And everyone has there own opinions on it. Kim i did see that law and order. And i agree that kids should get the shots. Cause they put other kids at risk when they don't. But hey that i s my choice. And i don't believe that these shots are causing autism.

Mara04 said on 5/15/2009 4:27:46 PM Report this post
If there was a vaccine to prevent kids form getting other kids bad habits I'd probably get it. Sorry, Connor devleoped one I'm not happy about, picked it up fomr a kid at playgorup LOL Maybe I'LL invent it! lol

Froggergrl5 said on 5/15/2009 7:57:28 PM Report this post
both of my boys have had there shots and so is this baby. my 4 yr old has all his he needs till he is 11 and my almost 2 yr old has been getting his regularly. he is due for more in june (when he turns 2) i don't see anything wrong. the good in them out weighs what can happen if they don't get them,thats just my personal opinion.

sheababy44 said on 5/16/2009 8:56:02 AM Report this post
I totally agree frogger. I think it is dumb not to get your kids the shots. Sorry if that offends anyone but i do.

user786 said on 5/16/2009 12:31:52 PM Report this post
what an interesting article.......[plus extra posts LOL]

in England we really don't get much choice with regards to the vaccinations......or do we?

I was all for getting the vaccinations done as this is the way i was brought up.but now i'm going to look into it before i make a choice.....i really don't want to be putting my childs life at risk.....and as parents we feel so much safer knowing we "at least" did try to help prevent our child from getting any disease.

I guess it comes down to the situation as well.......

This is quite an interesting topic

meli80 said on 5/16/2009 1:41:14 PM Report this post
I think that it´s not a choice for me, my 2 little girls has been vaccinated since they were born, and a few days ago the pediatrician practically made me vaccinate them with the flu one... i live in Peru so here the flu season is here, so i had no choice!!! the 4 year old has rinitis and always takes zyrtec 2ce a day... so a flu + will be too much for her! Here you don´t hace much option, its the vaccinate or the vaccinate, and we don´t see cases of autism because of that, well the vaccinates are very expensive so maybe are without timerosal or mercury that seems to be the problem... but others people choice is respetable, we made what we think it´s the best 4 our children in every way.

garza74 said on 5/16/2009 2:47:03 PM Report this post
Interestingly, the pediatrician where I'm taking my newborn has you sign an agreement to vaccinate and will not see children whose parents don't allow them to have shots. I asked why, just out of curiousity (since, of course, I vaccinate my children), and was told that the doctors there chose not to treat children who aren't vaccinated to protect their other patients - I guess everyone has a choice . . .

We have covered this topic repeatedly and I don't think Jenny McCarthy is going to change anyone's mind. I just don't buy the argument that vaccines cause autism, sorry - and neither does the medical community.

globug27 said on 9/5/2009 1:43:16 AM Report this post
The topis is still here.....and the medical community is "booming" because of developmental delays and disabilities, so it figures that why would they stop something that is bringing them their livelyhood. Looks like dentists are finally getting it right, some of them will NOT use the silver/mercury fillings anymore becasue of all the issues that go along with that.....hhhmmmm....let me know the next time you actually know of someone (personally) that has been impaired by NOT vaccinating. Vaccinating is also what helps make the viruses STRONGER (mutation) so they can continue to infect the population, (mainly influenzas)....duh...that's a no brianer right there. Outbreak was "just" a movie - or was it...??? The idea came from somewhere....

I say get smart - get educated - not by some one eles' research - but by your own research.

Thank you user786, and others for your support on this issue.... - let me know if you liked the film.

...aaaand...for the newbies here on FG =)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=Dr.+David+Ayoub%2C+M.D.



peace out,
gb

TiffanyHill said on 9/5/2009 10:04:54 AM Report this post
Globug, sounds like we take our ques from the same script! I AM one of those unfortunate parents whose child had a horrible allergic reaction from routine vaccinations, which prompted me to ask, research, and question every medical professional who would take the time to listen. It was the 4 year booster that she reacted to, causes her to sieze, vomit until dry heaving, fever that made her delirious, etc. The worst part was that she was in so much pain, that she kept saying over and over, 'mommy, I want to die.' that will absolutely break your heart in two, and make you wish the pain on yourself. And yes, it was confirmed the vaccines were the culprit. I wholeheartedly believe God gives wisdom to the medical community, and am quite thankful for it, but as humans, we can easily pervert something that was intended for good.
There are homeopathic vaccinations that can be purchased from Canada, they have 30x less of the actual disease. I have had friends that used them with no side effects.
As for scarlett fever, that is something that mutates from the oh so common strep throat. My daughter had this happen even though she took antibiotics and it then it mutated into post strep gn. Which affects the lining of the kidneys. We were on a two year roller coaster with her health after that. Thank God she can out with no permanent damage to her internal organs, she was so sick that every night she slept with me, because if the unthinkable happened, I didn't want her to be alone.

xxstephh said on 9/5/2009 2:26:59 PM Report this post
Well, Have never read this post before until now lol, but wanted to add how i feel personally.,

I feel that I have been offended on this site since I have been here May 2009, About 1-2-3 maybe more times, but it's that fact that I do what I believe, so should everyone else. I also am a catholic & sorry I would rather not get jumped on or anything about what i will say, but I had sex when I was 11 years old, not by choice either, I had too .. my father tried to rape me, he sexual touched me, all sexual things from 12-15, I was young and afraid to tell as I was told serious things that scared me, so I had sex at 11 because I didn't want my father my first, If I had a choice at the time I would have waited til I was 15 when I next had sex again, by choice at this time...(Not telling you this because I want to but to let you know my reason for it & when I WANTED to) I am not married only soon to be 19, not even really thinking about marriage,I live with my BF & we are trying to get pregnant.. Ladies, everyone has a reason why they have sex at young agesor even before marriage, weather it be their choice ornot by choice, it's all others choices, No one can tell me NOT to get pregnant or NOT to have sex, or anbything else, I tell myself like others also...

About the vaccines I had mine but I had the chicken pox & possibly others, thevaccine actually made me only have about 10 chicken pox on my belly, I am perfectly fine & healthy!! , :) , I will posiibly chose to vaccinate my kids, but I won't know until the time comes, :)
Hope the choices everyone make, are because of theirselves not others,

Thanks, Just wanted to add lol. good luck everyonee !

globug27 said on 9/7/2009 2:18:38 AM Report this post
Thx Tiffany, I know it is super difficult to try to address this issue with alot of people because they don't want to believe it for whatever reason......I just can't figure out why people never comment on this AFTER they've seen the films suggested for information ...? How can you have a sound opinion until you HAVE seen the other side - like yourself. I was so upset after my DD had her reaction - knowing it was ME that allowed her to be shot with poison. But now that I know the real truth behind big pharma and their agenda, it makes more sense, and, having friends that are pharmacists that won't even vaccinate their dogs b/c of the poison chemicals in them - now that was a big eye opener. Of all people - a pharmacist knows their chemicals...so....ya, big news for me.

Mutations happens when a virus gets stronger in a host - usually someone who was previously vaccinated with the virus (live or killed) and then passes it along, never knowing they were the host of the mutated virus in the first place.....it's basic science. Why do you think they can't keep up with influenza viruses; because it mutates so quickly due to the vaccines they are injecting at an alarming rate in this country...it's a big huge snowball effect.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=Dr.+David+Ayoub%2C+M.D.

...so anyone want to watch it and THEN comment, thx

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